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The Degrassi Digest # 54 January 5th,1999
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Happy New Year!
This issue will be a refreshing start to the New Year. Brought to you by Andrew Sutcliffe and Zoe Jackson. Thanks for the discussion.
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I N S I D E:

Thoughts by Paige..
Degrassi Sexism
i have a question
Canadian shows in Australia
NOT THE ONLY REP IN AUSTRALIA
MISC . COMMENTS - ALISON & AMY
HAPPY NEW YEAR
School's Out
School's Out
The Farrell twins and their booze
isn't it too late to be stuck back in the 1950's?
The Wrong Girl
Meetings and Bloopers
Degrassi World #35, written by Natalie Earl
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From: "Paige Daydream"
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: Thoughts by Paige..
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:01:26 PST


I'd like to thank you all, the "One to Advertise her site the most!" award is truly great! but, I digress, I must give this award to the true owner, the one who advertised his site the most through the digest- this award goes to- the one and only- Mark Polger!!!

: )

Anyways, I have a few comments..

I was happy to get from my sister, two 'Kids of Degrassi' books for Xmas- she found them in a second hand store, for only 75 cents each!! I still haven't read them, but they look good! With pics of "wheels" and "Caitlin" on the cover. Hee Hee.

And- a friend of mine who works on Yonge and Eglington in Toronto- he was dismayed to find that he couldn't park his car in it's usual spot cuz they were fliming a "Degrassi movie" I went balistic when he told me this... trying to get all the information possible outta my bud. He said that Maya was going to be a Degrassi JH teacher.. and it was like the "reunion" (y'know, the one we've all been hoping for!?) So.. maybe he's sucking me into a nasty joke.. but anyways.. could this be true!? I hope it is.. he's a Degrassi fan himself.

I was estatic to meet 'Maya' a few weeks ago. She works for Much Music and CHUM city in Toronto. I was going to meet Bill (the VJ) and there she was at the reception! Not in a wheel chair. Of course, I talked to her, she was supernice.. but then, I realized later, I did't ask her the one thing I really wanted to know- what was the 'pot' in that one scene in DH?! I'll go back this week and meet her again, I 'spose.

Anyways, have a happy new year, Degrassi Fans!

~Paige Daydream

http://www.bawel.net/~actrassi <<<< DEGRASSI INTERACTIVE!
*Mark* You are right, we both share that award :-)
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From: "ANDREW SUTCLIFFE"
To: <post@degrassi.org>
Subject: Degrassi Sexism
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:16:13 +1100


Mark,
I refer to your reply in the last Digest about my comments on Lucy and Caitlin's extremist feminist stance about bikini girls in videos. The statement the show aims to depict sexism - if Alison and Amy in bikinis are sexist then why isn't:- the mere showing Lucy and Caitlin in bikinis in SCHOOLS OUT discussing sex; or Sara Ballingall ( Melanie )showing her lovely face in a tv beer commercial ( as reported in Degrassi Update ) sexist too ? I think all this sexism thing has got totally out of hand and is used by these extremist feminists to make guys feel guilty about seeing girls as sexually attractive - and that is what I object to. Interfering with the natural order. And I'm sad that the show was used by such people to distort the truth. I disagree with the view that wearing bikinis in a music video is the same as prostitution. If that's the case so is every modelling activity - every time Claudia Schiffer gets on the catwalk she's prostituting is she ? Fair go ! Then there was the time in THE ALL NIGHTER in DEGRASSI HIGH when Melanie was looking at that toy-boys pinup calender they got for Diana's surprise birthday party - surely under those rules that's a sexist thing too. Can anyone ever dream to say beautiful little Melanie is a sexist ? And if Kathleen and Maya looked at it too ? Where does this all end. IT CREEPS was a sexist project - and while amusing - its aim was to turn the tables on the guys for sexist purposes. Intent is critical in assessing this Mark. Hasn't Lucy ever seen the film THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE ? I'd like everybody's input on this topic. I think everyone would agree with your view this topic is subjective but my point still stands -- extremist feminism and double standards almost ruin Degrassi. Andrew P.S. Alison and Amy may have been a bit snobbish but weren't dumb.

*Mark* Here is my opinion. I think that Amy and Allison did not have guns to their heads..They did not perceive their bodies as being exploited...They chose to be in the video in their bikinis for money.
Caitlin perceived Joey's comment as being sexist...therefore we can see that every person sees things in their own way...
About the concept of displaying our bodies for money, like prostitution, I agree, it happens everyday....
Both men and women runway models are icons for the mass culture, but are poor examples of the "real" man or woman. In the world of modelling, men and women's bodies are changed, corsetted, shaved, waxed, and worked out. Many models are anorexic and bulimic and many men work out to great lengths to have a small waist, flat stomach, and large pectoral muscles. Many will tan their bodies, just to sell an image, that is false, by objectifying themselves into body parts...
It simply sickens me.
It gives false impressions of the real man and woman, (that men are hairless, and naturally muscular) (women have pre-pubescent bodies) I would have to say that modelling is like prostituion, in my opinion...and we buy into it indirectly. It makes me very ill just to see what people are striving to look like, "the starving woman, who is 6 feet, and who is 100 pounds.

Sorry to go on and on and on.....I will stop.
As for I only saw the CBC (domestic version) of Degrassi. I did not see Melanie checking out the calendar that she gave to Diana.

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From: "erin sunderland"
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: i have a question
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:33:09 EST

I was wondering, does anyone know where i can get a copy of "schools out"? I love degrassi but have never seen school's out. I didn't even know it existed until i went web searching. If anyone knows if i can get it anywhere could you answer this?????? Thanx!

a loyal fan,
Erin
*Mark* Send a blank tape to me, and I will copy it for you.
check http://www.degrassi.org/mark/cv/
for my mailing address. Please send about $5.00 U.S. (or Canadian) for postage and handling.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:53:45 +1100
To: post@degrassi.org
From: Sara
Subject: Canadian shows in Australia



I recently caught the end of a cheesy movie and was suprised to see the actress who played Lucy in it. Just wondering if anyone can tell me the name of the movie. She was playing a member of a jury.

In reply to Andrew from the last digest there were other Canadian programs shown in Australia. 'You can't do that on Television' and the' Anne of Green Gables' series were also shown over the years. 'Ready or not' has also been screened in the last few years.

Sara
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From: "ANDREW SUTCLIFFE"
To: <post@degrassi.org>
Subject: NOT THE ONLY REP IN AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:14:27 +1100

I should correct my comment in the last digest that Degrassi is the only cultural rep of Canada on Australian tv. I forgot about Northwood, however it was only screened once and it really more reflects western Canada which is different to Ontario and eastern Canada. Whereas Degrassi has been screened several times. Northwood is more a soapie anyway. Degrassi is still the dominant rep..
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From: "ANDREW SUTCLIFFE"
To: <post@degrassi.org>
Subject: MISC . COMMENTS - ALISON & AMY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:43:56 +1100

Don't you think given ALISON was suppose to be the sex princess of Degrassi ( that description is open to debate as well ) it was strange she didn't have dates and kept having to ask Nick to dances and fight off Tabi ? Given that she was brought in to replace the fabulous Stephanie Kaye you would have thought there would have been some follow-thru on the character role. Don't you also think that AMY was a very under-rated character - equally as sexy and desirable as Alison ? She almost played the role of Alison's conscience bringing her into line on several occassions. Wouldn't it have been great if they both had of been in those wet look bikinis in Joey's music video ? I think it would have made the show far more acceptable than running that extreme feminist agenda. When Caitlin refused to be in the video in bikini - and the fact Joey asked nicely - given the way she replied ( She told Joey he was a shovanist pig ) I thought to myself - what a bitch ( same with Lucy's response about not filming it ) - and it turned me right off liking those two for the rest of the show. I'm sure other subscribers to the digest feel the same way. Of course the fact is Lucy ruined Joey's video over trivial idealism ( then later there was all that tripe about "script approval" - in other words, political correctness ) when it could have been dazzling ( as I said, can you imagine what it would have been like with Alison & Amy in it ? ). Mark, you wouldn't happen to know if they did film it for private use and didn't put it in the show ? If it does exist perhaps you could get hold of a couple of pictures from it and put it on the website for all of the Alison and Amy fans.
Andrew

*Mark* OK...I do not think that Joey ever made the video for home use...
These Degrassi sexism posts have to cool down...please....
I think many fans will be offended...
Andrew, there are many approached to feminism, and you cannot assume that your definition of feminism is the absolute. Your definition of feminism that "makes men feel guilty for the suffering that they have caused" is too restrictive. Feminism is simply "equal rights for men and women". Radical feminism is what you may be referring to. Degrassi did not seem radical, in my opinion. Lucy and Caitlin did not appear to be radical. Lucy refused to film her video because it would exploit the bodies of Amy and Allison. She also wanted to make a feminist film because in most horror films, men were the dominant ones who killed all the passive female characters...This is a common formula in slasher films, right?
Caitlin did not want to be used as a model for The Zits video. She thought Joey's comment was sexist.
In my opinion, I do not think he meant harm, it was just the way he said it...I think he meant to be genuinely caring and genuine....
Caitlin felt insulted because he was talking about displaying her "beautiful body" as a showpiece...Caitlin may have been very sensitive, but Joey did not have to ask Caitlin to strut through his video in her ....Her feelings are not wrong, and neither were Amy, Allison, or Lucy...Everyone feels differently about their body. I think that most women or men would not want to be objectifed, but look at some runway models and magazine icons. I do not think Caitlin or Lucy were "bitches", I think that they simply do not want their bodies to be objectified by other people.

I do not think he really meant to hurt her, he was just being "Joey Jeremiah", would you all agree?

I did not think that Allison was supposed to replace Stephanie Kaye...and was she really the sex princess of Degrassi? ...Please define what a "sex princess" is.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:28:01 +0000
To: "Degrassi Digest"
From: assaf razin
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR


Hi Mark + Everyone,

Happy New Year,

Einat
*Mark* Thanks and Happy New Year to all the 550 people on this list.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:43:46 -0500 (EST)
To: post@degrassi.org
From: Molly Wilson
Subject: School's Out

Hey fellow Degrassi-ites!

I'm a new subscriber to this list (as in, I just subscribed about 2 minutes
ago). I adore Degrassi and watch it in reruns every day. I'm 17 years old
and have been watching Degrassi since shortly after it's conception. I
have always loved the honesty and reality the show portrayed.

So, here's my real reason for posting. I am desperately searching for a
copy of "School's Out". If anybody has a copy and would be willing to make
me a dub of it, I will happily send a blank tape and money for postage your
way. If anybody knows where I can buy a copy, if an official tape was ever
released for sale, please let me know.

Thanks, and everybody have a very happy new year.

Cheers,
Molly
*Mark* Send me a blank videotape to my mailing address. I live in Montreal, Quebec, in Canada, so you will get it fast (based on your Canadian e-mail address. Send Canadian funds ($5.00) for the covering of postage and handling. My address can be found at http://www.degrassi.org/mark/cv/
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:24:34 EST
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: School's Out
From:HWIL1998

Hi..I have really enjoyed this site! I think it is excellent. I have loved
Degrassi for many years now, although I can't watch it anymore since PBS
stopped showing it in the US! But what I am really interested in now is seeing
School's Out. I saw it in the tv guide several years ago for broadcast on PBS,
but when I turned it on, it was something else. Would anyone know how I could
maybe get a copy of it? I would absolutely love to see it. Thanks for any
help anyone could give me, and keep up the great work on this site! I love it!

*Mark* Send me a videotape with sufficient $$$ for postage and handling. At least $5.00 U.S....my mailing address can be found at http://www.degrassi.org/mark/cv/
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From: blowpopp
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: The Farrell twins and their booze
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:38:06 PST


I think that it was wrong that Wheels (Neil Hope) turned out to be the
alcoholic. In the beginning he was against drinking because his parents were
killed by a drunk driver. Then later he becomes this red neck drunk. It
would have been better if Heather or Erica became the alcoholic because they
drank irresponsibly since grade 8. They were the ones who got Stephanie
Kaye drunk.


*Mark* Excellent point, the twins seem somewhat innocent, but we can all remember in the first season when there characters were not developed, that the twins were a bit easy with the bottle in grade 8. About Wheels...he had many emotional problems, that may or may not have lead him to drink. He had a distant relationship with his bio-father, his grandmother from hell nagging over and over like an alarm clock, his parents death, he was not interested in school, he carried all his emotional bagage with him, blamed the world for all his problems, did not take responsibility for his own actions. He was a loser first and foremost in my opinion. I was shocked to find him in "School's Out" blaming the kid for not wearing a seatbelt and blaming Lucy for wanting chips. I have little sympathy for him, What do you all think about him, do you feel bad for him? Feel free to discuss!
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From: "Zoe Jackson"
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: isn't it too late to be stuck back in the 1950's?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:32:31 PST


This message relates to Andrew Sutcliffe's message on 'Degrassi
Feminism' in the last digest. I know a lot of people are going to be
responding to that message, but I couldn't resist adding my opinion.

Firstly, Andrew, it is a good thing that you feel comfortable to
express your opinions on this free-speech internet forum. That said, I
have to tell you that as an Australian female, I strongly disagree with
just about everything that you have said. Feminism is not 'nonsense',
'extremist' (well not all) or merely 'a Canadian phenomenon'. Many
people believe all feminists are 'men-haters'and 'butches'. This is an
innocuous, ill-founded, and incorrect judgement. In its pure form,
feminism is a movement, supported by both females AND males around the
globe, which promotes equal rights and opportunities for women. Andrew,
your Heinemann Australian Dictionary will confirm this definition.
Feminism has gained more popularity in the last half of this century,
but was attracting attention and support even in the eighteenth century
when French woman Olympe des Gourges (excuse the spelling) wrote her
'Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Citizen', in response to the
entirely male 'Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen' devised
by the revolutionary assembly. And why has feminism, which Andrew views
in Degrassi as 'unhealthy, unproductive and only creates more division
against the natural order of things' had such support since then? It is
not because people supporting feminism want division. It is, in fact,
the opposite.
Since the beginning of time, woman have been subjugated, abused
and exploited as tools of male power. Certainly, this has not happened
in all societies, and the severity of the ramifications has varied.
However, in all cases, this subjugation has prompted stark societal
division with men given the privileged status of the power holder, the
controller, the dominator. Men, in sum, had freedom. Women were
designated the role of a mere, weak tool to satisfy male desires. We
were there to do housework, produce babies, have sex with and perve at.
Not surprisingly, women in this subservient, controlled role had no
freedom, and certainly no rights. But over the passage of time, science
has, at times reluctantly, informed everyone that women ARE the
intellectual equal of men and have innumerable strengths and autonomous
capacities which had yet to be noticed. It was thus logical that
society's unnatural male-female division, with women being denied of
their own humanity, should be ended, and women should be afforded the
same rights as men.
Before you start contradicting me, I am not disputing that there
are certain fundamental differences between men and women. Certainly,
there is a large biological difference between men and women, and some
researchers and theorists also believe that there are distinct emotional
and psychological differences between men and women. However, these
differences do not entail women having to remain mere sexual objects for
male use and enjoyment. And that, Andrew, was the express reason that
Joey wanted to use bikini women in his 'Zit Remedy' film clip. It was
not flattering to the women involved. They were not being admired for the sum of their talents, attributes, intellect
and strength which may include beauty, but were ogled at simply as a
piece of inanimate meat, a bit of sexy flesh without a brain attached.
As such a puerile use of women contravenes the advances that have been
made in women's rights, it seems logical that an intelligent person such
as Caitlan would have declined from being a part of Joey's video.
Andrew, it saddens me that there are still males in our beautiful
country of Australia who still live in the past and believe women are
only tools for male enjoyment. Such a view IS divisive and unnatural. I
have two further points for you before I end this extremely long
message. Firstly: NONE of my Australian female friends would 'love to
wear bikinis in a rock video' for the aforementioned reasons, so I hope
no one out their from Canada will believe via Andrew that we are all
unenlightened bimbos. Secondly: you claim that Joey of all people is a
'gentleman and scholar'. Seriously! Yes, Joey was funny, but he never
seemed the epitome of intelligent, and his callous belief that he could
have sex with Liz because of her so-called 'reputation' negates any
alleged 'gentlemanly' like characteristics. I think you should chose
your role models more carefully!

Zoe
*Mark* In my humble opinion...Joey was sexist with respect to Amy and Allison, I do not think he meant to be with Caitlin...he was exploiting Amy and Allison's in order to gain an audience for his music video. As for your comments, I agree. I think too many people think that feminism is equated with radical women who hate men. This is not true. Radical feminism is extreme...Many women who are radical feminists believe that men are rapists and walking abortions, and murderers...This seems very disturbing, many go into lesbian relationships and raise children by themselves. They hate all men for being men, and this is not fair. In my opinion, any extreme behaviour is not healthy...I think Lucy and Caitlin can be thought of as Liberal Feminists, anyone agree? I do not know if Australian Sociology is similar to North American Sociology (probably?), but I think that Liberal feminists can describe both men and women, who believe in equal rights for both genders. I do not think that if double standards were presented on Degrassi, it was presented to show what freedom men have and the oppression and historical inequality that women possess. (Being objectified with wet-look bikinis, Joey's pin-ip posters in "Censored", or his music video with Amy and Allison)

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 02:50:28 -0500
To: Degrassi Digest <post@degrassi.org>
From: McHoull
Subject: The Wrong Girl

So yeah, according to the Globe and Mail, Stacie Mistysyn will be in this made in Canada TV movie called The Wrong Girl. It will air on NBC this Monday at 8 pm.

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From: "Tara B."
To: post@degrassi.org
Subject: Meetings and Bloopers
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:16:13 PST


Hi Everyone,
I hope you and all other Degrassi fans had a great holiday. The Anniversary edition was really great. Well, I have managed to meet 2 Degrassi characters in the last couple months. The first I met was Josh Whitehead (Max). He attends the University of Guelph, and I ran into him at a Guelph pub a few weeks ago. He is in his 4th year at U of G, and he has a 7 year old daughter. That's all I found out, I didn't talk to him for very long. I also met Keith White (Tim) this past week. I saw a show he and his old band, Blue Dog Pict, put on at a small bar in Toronto the night before New Year's. They're both really nice guys. Keith has a new band now, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name. Also, I'm in the process of taping every episode of Degrassi from Showcase, and doing so I've noticed some bloopers in the script writing of a couple of the shows. The first I noticed was an episode from DJH (I can't remember the title of the episode) when Mr. Raditch was telling the class that "this assignment is due Thursday afternoon and 3:25 p.m. I will be out of the school at 3:26." Joey then proceeds to disrupt the class, and Mr. Raditch yells, "Mr. Jeremiah, how many times do I have to tell you my classroom is for learning, not socializing!...as I was saying, this assignment is due Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. sharp." That one always cracks me up. The other one I noticed was in DH, episode entitled "Dream On" where Arthur has a crush on Caitlin. Throughout the episode, there are segments of Arthur having dreams at night about Caitlin. At school, in one part, Arthur says to Caitlin, "When are we going to work on our French assignment? I forgot." Caitlin replies, "This afternoon, on our spare." Next thing you know, Arthur is asleep, having another dream about Caitlin. Next segment, they are working on their assignment together on their spare. Did Arthur go home for a nap before his spare?! Also, for all you Ready or Not fans: A couple of my friends go to University of Guelph and told me that Amanda (don't know her real name) is in one of their classes. They've never talked to her, but they are sure it is her. Keep up the good work on the Digest, Mark!...By the way, I like the name of the Digest. I think you should keep it!

Tara B.
*Mark* I do not know about the nap, I think they were planning on meeting another day...like making plans on Tueday to meet Wednesday, and so Arthur may have had the dream Tuesday night....I do not remember him daydreaming.
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(Please note: This episode is the sequel to Showtime Part I and 2. We
are assuming that Claude's suicide attempt was unsuccessful. Claude
misaimed his gun and shot his left shoulder, resulting in admittance to the
emergency room. It is now three days later, Joanne is visiting Claude in
his hospital room.)

Claude: Oh great, little miss perfect is here to cheer up the basket case.

Joanne: Quit being a jerk. Like it or not, I'm here to help. We can either talk as friends or I can recite boring statistics from my teen suicide pamphlets.

Claude: You don't really care about me. You just like acting as my spokesperson so you can get credit as a charitable person.

Joanne: If that's truly how you feel I won't waste my time or yours.

Claude: No, wait! I really need to blow off some steam, if you don't mind listening to my depressing problems.

Joanne: I'm all ears. But before you start, let me say that I can relate to depression. For years I had a low self esteem because my weight. Perhaps you will think of me differently after you see my scar (Joanne lifts her sleeve to reveal a scar from the time she slashed her wrist with a razor blade).

Claude: Oh Joanne, I had no idea. You always came off as being so confident.

Joanne: It took me a long time for me to get to that level. But let's not talk about me. Tell me what drove you to attempt suicide.

Claude: Where should I begin? My dad calling me a faggot because of my gothic clothes? Caitlin dumping me? My asthma attacks that keep me from playing sports? My constant nosebleeds?

Joanne: Why didn't you just ask for help?

Claude: I tried but nobody listened. I thought my morbid poetry would give people the hint. I let my grades slip and lost weight but nobody noticed . . . except you. Hey, you're pretty cool for a prep. When I get out of the hospital, lets hang out. I hear that "Rocky Horror Picture Show" is playing at The Fox.

Joanne: That's not quite my speed, how about something safe like bowling or miniature golf?

Claude: Sounds fun. Joanne, I have something I want you to wear (He pulls a single crucifix earring out of his duffel bag, it's the mate to the one he is wearing). It's to symbolize our new friendship. We sorta have a bond with both of coming close to death.
THE END
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