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Degrassi Digest #154 ---- December 12, 2002
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Happy Holidays to everyone and good luck on exams and have a
good winter vacation...Take and care and hope to have more postings in December
and in 2003!!!
Regards,
Mark
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From: "Melissa Hannaford"
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:14pm
Subject: queen's interruption
I am replying to lisa who asked about the first half of
degrassi being cut
off to televise the queen stuff. i have digital cable with
time shifting, so
i noticed that only the ctv west did that because it was
live footage, so
degrassi had already aired on the east, ontario, and
mountain ctvs. That's
all.
lissa
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From: Kimya Behpou
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:36am
Subject: Amazon.com videos of Degrassi
Do you or does anyone know that the videos of Degrassi
Junior High and
Degrassi High, sold on Amazon.com, are they the original
uncut versions? or
are they the "censored" versions? It's a bit of money to shell out and I
don't want to pay that much for censored video!
Thanks,
Kimya
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From: michael goarley
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Keep Posting Sightings
Keep posting cast sightings, they are harmless fun. Its not like the
addresses of the actors are being posted. I have seen about a half dozen
cast members from degrassi jr to the next generation, I love
telling my
friends about them and they call me right away if they ever
see one.
Lighten up and have fun.
Michael Goarley
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From: "Bettina Spencer"
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: autumn leaves, dying leaves...
I haven't posted in a really long time, and I think I've
figured out
why. I miss the
discussions about the OLD Degrassi. The
ones that we
joined this group for originally. I know it's important to talk about
the new episodes, but honestly, I don't find them nearly as
interesting
as the old ones. Of
course I'm biased since Jr. High and High were on
television when I was in the right age group for the
targeting. I
realize that TNG isn't marketed towards 20 something
graduate students.
And I know that now I love the old series for both the camp
value and
their progressive take on societal issues. Even though we have TNG now,
does that mean that we can no longer theorize about Wheels'
descent to
the darkside, Snake's sexual confusion, and the power
dynamics between
Melanie and Kathleen?
For example, during the fall season I think we
should talk about Claude and his ode to the leaves. Is this more
important than posting about how TNG has ripped off yet
another episode
of the original Degrassi?
I don't know. But it's more
fun.
Degrassi purist,
Bettina
*Mark* I miss talking about the original Degrassi
too....Keep posting...Welcome back!
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From: "Melissa Hannaford"
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 0:07am
Subject: wheel's dad
I don't remember if anyone has mentioned this, so I am going
to now. I
rented Men with Brooms this weekend (I recommend it highly),
and my husband
and I figured out the lawyer, Marvin Feigler, was the actor
who played
Wheel's dad on Degrassi. His name is Timm Zemanek, and has
been in a lot of
movies. Men with Brooms was interesting to watch because it
has so many
Canadian actors that you can recognize, but it is still
difficult to figure
out who they are exactly.
*Mark* That's right!
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From: "George Gillam"
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:04am
Subject: ABC's decision not to screen degrassi
Perhaps the fact that the Australian ABC is an advertisement
free government funded network had something to do with the censorship!!?
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From: jazz thieves
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 10:40am
Subject: second-degree murder?
WOW! Poor Tyson Talbot, AKA Jason Cox on Degrassi,
Second-degree murder???
What is going on?????
My condolences to the Shelton family for the loss of their
son, Christopher. May he rest in peace.
However, to our friend who tried to use Snake to win the
Girls against the Boys swim challenge, what were you thinking?
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From: "shelliegurle"
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: the wedding
I heard that in january there will be a wedding on the new
degrassi
series. i have a
feeling i know who will be getting married but i was
wondering if they were going to have some of the old cast
from the
original series come back for the wedding?
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From: "Clayton Self"
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 5:10pm
Subject: Tyson Talbot
Hi again Mark,
1) It's been a while since I last posted to the Digest but I
want to
thank you again for posting my last message in DD # 126 I
believe it
was. Here you let Degassi fans know of my website called
"The Forest
Rangers" TV Fan Site. My site has come a long way since
then and now
I
have had over 14,000 visitors and guestbook sign-ins galore
from all
over the world, as well as ex-actors from the show who have
signed
in.
Here is the address again -
www.geocities.com/forestrangers1965 if u
would like to see what's up there now. You will love the
photo at the
bottom of the main page.
2) It's a real shame to see what Tyson Talbot has become- a
real
menace to society I can say with assuredness. He beat some
guy up
when
he was younger that made the news, and then last month he
had a
similar investigation, and now he's gone and beaten a young
man to
his
death. I wonder if his inner rage has something to do the
fact that
the crew from DJH didn't find him worthy as an actor to stay
on for
more episodes. Child stars can take things hard when they
are left
out
in the cold. I am willing to bet that he looks back to his
Kids of
Degrassi days with fondness though.
Clayton Self
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From: "MorbidAJ"
To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Degrassi Digest Digest Number 101
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:23:46 -0500
And how about this, the Toronto sun along wiht many other
news sources
stole
the picture they used for the papers and news stories from
my site of
jason
cox!!
I have confirmed that I took the picture of him and that its
exactly
the
same frame from the show..
since the quality of the picture they use is so bad, i
assume they used
my
small picture and tried to enlarge it
weird huh?
aj
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:39:18 -0600
From: "Chaudhari, Papool S (UMKC-Student)"
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To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Message for degrassi digest
Mark,
Hey everybody, I used to post here a while back, in the good
ole days
of this digest. I'm an American viewer and I have to add my
name to the
list of people extremely upset at the censorship of
Degrassi: TNG.
Before I ramble on, I'd like to add my take on why Noggin
does this.
It's not because it's Pay TV as opposed to network. If
Degrassi: TNG
aired on US network television, it would likely be censored
even more than
it is now.(You cited the first amendment, but you musn't
forget the
puritan nature of the US. Why else do you see nudity on
television so
freely in Europe, but not here?) Noggin hasn't been able to
grasp the idea
of how to teach its audience. Frankly, it's scared that the
"Degrassi"
way of teaching lessons won't fly to kids who watch under
the age of
10. (Mind you that "The-N" is geared for 10-15
year olds, not 8 or 9 year
olds, but they nevertheless watch, especially when D:TNG
follows shows
like Clarissa, etc.) In a way I get their point. The way
"Drugs" are
present in "Jagged Little Pill" could throw off
someone under 8 or 9, but
I seriously doubt it would throw off a 12 year old. I think
Degrassi's
style (Even TNG) is a great way to get to kids, because it's
realistic.
Of course J.T. would say the things he did, and Ashley would
do what
she did. It's more real than what they want it to be, and
they can't
handle it. Case in point: Noggin airs Ghostwriter, formerly
a PBS series,
but doesn't include a string of episodes involving
marijuana.
Now on to Noggin's actions, I can't stand them in
particular. Since
most of you are in Canada, you don't realize exactly how
this torture
went. First we were denied Jagged Little Pill, and in When
Doves Cry, we
don't get why everyone hates Ashley. Then, because the
storyline NEEDS
Jagged Little Pill, they air it and then Season 2, Ep. 3
right after it,
same night. The problem was that during the airing of Jagged
Little
Pill, the guy who plays Sean would come on and add a bunch
of sappy stuff
about drugs. It was pathetic, if I was a 12 year old I'd be
sooo turned
off by now.
Now to add to my pain, I find out that When Doves Cry had a
suicide
attempt and more of Craig's dad beating him???? Geez Noggin
really cut out
stuff and it's truly sad, especially when you consider that
what they
are cutting out is really hurting the teens who enjoy this
show and
learn something.
Kids are already force-fed the bad things that happen to
your body when
you do drugs (and killing yourself). Believe me, as a jr.
high schooler
and high schooler in the 90's, I know. Jagged Little Pill
was one of
the most realistic depictions I have seen of the drugs issue
(well, maybe
not, considering I saw a censored US version)...it wasn't
just "Wanna
get high?" It was more into why people would want to do
drugs when they
KNOW they are bad. Ashley knew how bad they were, but she
had emotional
problems that led her to it anyways. That is what needs to
be taught to
our kids, but sadly they won't get it, unless of course,
someone in
Canada is nice enough to start using their TV capture card
to get D:TNG
episodes and make them available on KaZaA or an IRC chat
server.
Papool Chaudhari
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From: "Audrey Birkner"
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To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Degrassi Digest Degrassi News Part 2 for
November 18, 2002
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:56:12 +0000
From Australia: It
looks like they ARE censoring the show, but if the other episodes air, well the
show has not been COMPLETELY censored.
As for the U.S. they did end up showing Jagged Little Pill, so again
saying that the show has been censored is being a little critical. Don't ya think?
When Degrassi: The
Next Generation came out they gave the age demographic as 8-12. For the first couple episodes, I thought
that the show was perfectly rated. But
then when Jimmy and Ashley were going to have sex, I thought that an 8 year old
rating was just too young.
There are many things to compare and contrast from the
original series to the "new" class.
The old series dealt with bi-racial dating Michelle and Blt. The new show has Asley and Jimmy. The old show dealt with teen pregnancy-hence
Emma. But the new show is more modern,
they have the computer class, online web developing or whatever. Would I let my 8 year old watch either of
these shows (I don't have an 8 year old)?
The answer is yes if I monitored the t.v. and discussed a few topics
with them. For many parents though, I
don't see them watching this kind of show with their children. I was 12 when I saw Degrassi Jr. High and I
am able to enjoy it well into my 20's.
Also, having seen every single episode in its original content was a
nice feature (pbs censored parts at the abortion clinic from the early '90's).
Then they showed up on the PBS editons of the tape.
Hopefully Epitome Pictures will continue the Degrassi
series. Not only is it entertaining,
but the new series is more relevant to teenagers and pre-teens then past
Degrassi shows. For example: every episode is not a serious drama.
Thanks Mark for keeping us updated all the time. It really helps a lot.
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From: "Emily Brown"
To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Degrassi Digest News - no sightings don't worry
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:52:34 -0500
About Degrassi in USA on Noggin---
Yes, they definitely did not show Jagged Little Pill last
season. In
fact, this season has been very jumbled around--it seems
like they are not
showing episodes in order.
Our season opener here was "When Doves Cry." Then
I think it was "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" or
"Jagged Little Pill." The
ecstasy episode ended up being a two parter (can't remember
the name of
second episode--my Tivo described it as "Ashley
apologizes for her
actions"). Felt
disjointed having it in the middle of a new season,
since it was
obviously from last.
Also, Noggin did not show the one-hour premiere of Degrassi
until the
end of the first season, which was annoying.
I honestly think, in general, the US is very quick to censor
things--maybe not
for violence, but always for sex. Would
make sense to me that they
are very touchy about drugs, too. Funny to censor it from Degrassi when
the average kid with cable can turn on MTV at any time of
the day and find
blatant references to constant pot smoking, irresponsible
sex, and binge drinking.
Hope this helps.
Emily Brown Cavacini
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:33:54 -0500
From: "Kevin Kwan"
To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
CC: degrassidigest@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Degrassi Digest #152
Hi Mark,
...just wondering is it proper for you to be encoding and/or
hosting
these mpegs? Just
wondering cuz I know you got into trouble some whiles back with the
duplication/distribution of videos and your degrassi.ca
site. Like I'm
not against you or anything... just wanna give you a heads
up of what Epitome Pictures
might say.
regards,
Kevin Kwan
*Mark* When I get a threatening letter from them, I'll take
down the MPEGs and MP3.
Until then, I am not doing anything to "confuse"
the public or "damaging" their goods and services.....All of the
Degrassi web sites are helping with promotion.......My little page of Degrassi:
TNG is very unofficial.
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From: "kate stewart"
To: degrassidigest-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Degrassi Digest #152
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:36:39 +0000
Dear Mark,
you certainly didn't offend me and I didn't mean to imply
that you are some psycho with an arsenal of guns in the back
shed. As I
said, I think the job you do with the website and the digest
is awesome, and
you are always genuinely respectful of the people you talk
about. My only
concern is the people who read it whose intentions aren't so
pure. Still, I guess
that's the downside of the internet...the upside being that
hundreds of
Degrassi fans the world over can share the passion!
Yours in admiration,
Kate Stewart
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From : "Jim
Turow"
To :
<markaaronpolger@hotmail.com>
Date : Wed, 11 Dec
2002 23:10:46 -0500
Mark,
I have been a degrassi fan since I was very young. There is something about the show that
really keeps me thinking about it, the characters, the storyline....it was just
an excellent show. I really would like
to let you know how much I enjoyed your site.
Is there the possibility of bringing cast members back for a public meet
and greet reunion? I would love to
participate in any way possible. It's
kind of funny how now I have a wife and child, but just remembering all of the
degrassi episodes helps me look forward to my sons future years at
school....those are the times in which when you are experiencing them you want
them to end, but years down the road you wish you could relive them.
Sincerely,
Jim Turow
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From : gordon
To :
markaaronpolger@hotmail.com
Subject : Tyson
Talbot
Date : Tue, 3 Dec
2002 06:48:40 -0600
I'm sure if you're Toronto area based, you've already heard
about this, but just in case:
Actor charged with murder
Monday, December 02, 2002 -- Global news has learned tonight
one of the stars of the Canadian TV series Degrassi Junior High is facing
murder charges. Actor Tyson Talbot made a court appearance today in the weekend
murder of 23-year-old Christopher Shelton. And it's not the first time he's
been in trouble with the law. Watch Global's report
Do you suppose Linda Schluyer can get a prison episode
written before the season ends? Now that this has happened, the NFB could do a
documentary on "Degrassi". I think a post-prison episode on the new
series could reunite Sara Ballingall/Melanie Brodie w/Tyson, and Tyson could be
her bodyguard/love interest to keep alleged Australian long distance stalkers
away from her. I can see the story on Global National now: "Why do
Canadian child actors grow up and mimic their American counterparts? TYSON
TALBOT: CANADA'S ANSWER TO TODD BRIDGES!" Sorry to be so cynical, but I
guess it's my nature, especially early in the morning. Hopefully this will be a
"heads-up" in case the media comes to you asking for an opinion. On
the bright side, I suppose "E Television" might do a special show on
Degrassi or something, who knows?
*Mark* This is all very sad and I only feel horrible for the
Shelton family. Tyson Talbot clearly
had some emotional problems and could not deal with his anger and it is very
tragic of the events that have occured over the past week.
Gordon, you made some interesting comments regarding child
actors who turn to crime......You have proposed a funny satirical outline with
Linda Schuyler and Sara Ballingall as reuniting with Tyson Talbot......
I agree to be cynical.... When Linda Schuyler was
interviewed, I could not help thinking, "What a great opportunity for
Linda Schuyler and Stephen Stohn to take this opportunity to promote their
show. It seems that they did not
acknowledge the tragic death of Mr. Christopher Shelton. It seems that they were only concerned
with mentioning the word "Degrassi" as many times as possible....Many
people say "There is no such thing as bad publicity." Any kind of publicity can be viewed as good
and in the Toronto star article, there are two paragraphs plugging the Degrassi
series.....How tasteless.....someone gets murdered and the person who was
charged (Tyson Talbot) was not a major star of the series....
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From : Xen
To :
markaaronpolger@hotmail.com
Subject : Terrific
Website!
Date : Fri, 8 Nov
2002 11:37:42 -0800 (PST)
Just wanted to say you have a great Degrassi website!
Look
forward to visiting again.
Do you update it often?
Thanks!
Xen
*Mark* Yes, at least three times per week!
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From :
"katrina rowell"
To :
<markaaronpolger@hotmail.com>
Subject : I have a
question I'm wondering about degrassi
Date : Thu, 21 Nov
2002 00:51:26 -0600
I am from the U.S. and watch Degrassi:The next
generation. They have been showing
reruns here because they have to edit the shows for content. Do you have any idea of what they are
editing out and why? If not, do you
know where I could find it out?
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From :
"brianne barker"
To : markaaronpolger@hotmail.com
Subject :
Degrassi
Date : Sun, 24 Nov
2002 16:46:02 -0800
On the Final Stills page in the degrassi.ca web site, can
you post the names of the characters in the stills? My memory is failing me and
I just can't remember everybody's name!!! It's driving me crazy because I know
their faces, but not the character names. Thanks for your consideration. :)
*Mark* That is a project for 2003!!! Thanks for your
suggestions!
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